Thursday, September 28, 2006

Hear the Drums?

I found the original of this in multiple places, but this is the first I found with a response. Some of the observations or responses are silly or narrowminded; some make a good point. To me, the tenor of muhc of it means that the drumbeat is starting - of I have a good point or a good response, I post it, if not, I josh, jeer, or change the subject.

A variant, incidentally, can be found here.


Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush's daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him, and a bad guy when Bush needed a "we can't find Bin Laden" diversion. Not entirely accurate. Saddam was always bad; some folks are more willing than others to work with "bad" is the issue.

Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is Communist, but trade with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international harmony. You're just mad because Cuba has good cigars. But you've got me with this one, I can't figure it out (unless there is nothing of value to the Federal Gov't in Cuba)

The United States should get out of the United Nations, and our highest national priority is enforcing U.N. resolutions against Iraq. Not accurate. We wanted the UN to enforce its own sanctions. When they would not, we used it as a reason to move forward with eradicating what we then thought were Saddam's WMD.

A woman can't be trusted with decisions about her own body, but multi-national corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind without regulation. Give it a rest with the "woman can't be trusted..." clap trap: Everyone with half a brain knows a woman's right to swing her arm stops where that baby's nose begins.

The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in speeches, while slashing veterans' benefits and combat pay. Well, since it's Bush making the speeches but Clinton who slashed all the benefits, funding, budgets, and pay of the Military, I'm not exactly sure where you get this one

If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won't have sex. Typical misdirection from the left. Conservatives want the kids getting their sex education and materials from their families...NOT from some sterile educator

A good way to fight terrorism is to belittle our long-time allies, then demand their cooperation and money. Bellittle? How (given that you just assignated any president who claimed Saddam as a ally).

Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy, but providing health care to all Americans is socialism. HMOs and insurance companies have the best interests of the public at heart. Weren't you one who was just in here crying about us harming the innocent civilians in Iraq? hard to shoot at them but leave them to bleed and die on their own. SOME insurance companies DO have their customer's best interests at heart.

Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary Clinton. Neither Jesus nor me (nor any of my Born Again friends) hate anyone. We don't like homosexuality or Hillary's behavior but I don't expect that will change your oft-chanted mantra

Global warming and tobacco's link to cancer are junk science, but creationism should be taught in schools. Neither are junk science, but you're right about Intelligent Design (not creationism)

A president lying about an extramarital affair is a impeachable offense, but a president lying to enlist support for a war in which thousands die is solid defense policy. No, a president lying to a grand jury is an impeachable offense. Also, there is no evidence Bush lied.

Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution, which includes censoring the Internet. Not sure from where you've dredged this one up but if it is typically liberal, there is a misdirection of truth and a lot of hyperbole in it.

The public has a right to know about Hillary's cattle trades, but George Bush's driving record is none of our business. Where does George Bush drive? When did Hillary trade cattle? Who cares about either one?

Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you're a conservative radio host. Then it's an illness and you need our prayers for your recovery.More misdirection of truth. I have personally prayed for EVERY drug addict I know; but that doesn't mean "they don't have to pay the consequences of their behavior/decisions." Everybody should.

What Bill Clinton did in the 1960s is of vital national interest, but what Bush did in the '80s is irrelevant. I don't care what either of them did in either decade

Support for hunters who shoot their friends and blame them for wearing orange vests similar to those worn by the quail. Yeah, once you have a knife in someone's back, keep twisting it.

Friends don't let friends vote Republican. OR post idiotic, hate-based rhetoric that has no socially or politically redeeming qualities.

4 comments:

Ify Okoye said...

Bill,

What do conservatives have against Hillary's "behavior" other than her liberal policies?

Cerulean Bill said...

As a general statement, that's it.

Having said that, it appears that she's done some things that are questionable -- the kind of thing that powerful people do, and expect not only to get away with, but not to even be questioned. For example (and to be fair, this is my only example; I just assume there are others), many years ago she invested in cattle trades, and her first trade was allowed to be on margin (don't know if thats the right exact phrase, but thats the concept) though that was not legal by the rules of the people doing the trade.

I like her, but I don't think she is without fault.

Ify Okoye said...

I was in high school when Hillary first ran for the Senate. I wasn't old enough to vote but I remember there were a lot of anti-Hillary and pro-Hillary camps but none of them seemed to have very good arguments. She does seem to be a very polarizing figure.

Cerulean Bill said...

Yup. I'd support her for Vice President but for her hushand, who I like but whose presence, even implied, on the campaign trail would be very divisive.